I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Most people are getting sub half moa. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Mag. at the muzzle. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Mag. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. Ban sober drivers from driving. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. . As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Buy Now. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. JavaScript is disabled. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. rick smith. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Trustpilot. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. Interesting. Worth considering. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. ADG 28 Nosler. Mag. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. So how do you choose among these three? Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. | Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. YMMV . and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. All Rights Reserved. Cartridge: 7 RUM. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. $89.95. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Reactions: Zeroit. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. $120.95. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. Improving 7mm Rem. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). .672., MV 2,900 fps. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? $81.95. Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. The belt has never been an issue for me. But they didnt shorten anything. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Id suggest a similar plan. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Alabusa Learning. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. And that means more powder. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. They sharpened the shoulder angle. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Mag. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. You are using an out of date browser. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. $120.95. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). 12 Gauge 1". Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Been looking for a while. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Im in the market to start a new build. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. My vote would be 7RM as well. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Mag. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. ADG Brass. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. at the muzzle. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Minuteman. Ballistic twins. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Buy Now. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. I went 7SAUM. I'd opt for the 7RM. Clearly the 7mm Rem. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. . How bout building a 280AI. We use cookies to make your experience better. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. 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