I mean, Dan is with who he wants to be. "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" Did he give up because he was defeated and heartbroken, or because he wanted to make this sacrifice for her? It went on the wish list. Warning: This story contains plot details from Sundays series finale of Veep. Im sad because I love my friends and when you spend eight years with people, you really become a family. He was ready to do whatever she asked. Veep. I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. The Ericsson thing it was funny, it was actually Annas idea, and I thought it was very enjoyable. It was so satisfying on so many levels. "Like a dog returning to its vomit" is how Tony Hale recently and colorfully described it. She, more than anyone, could leave and walk away, and doesnt. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. I think its a credit to Julia that she has found a way to make people care about this character. This is, you know it's roadkill." I think she did feel a tinge of remorse and then she immediately picks up the phone and gets into her facade and hides it away, stuffs all those feelings down and then turns it on again. So its like there was an undercurrent of knowing that it was the end and us doing a scene that was the end between us that compounded the emotion. I think we all hope youll miss each other enough that youll come up with something down the line. It was a sadistic death blow. [This story contains spoilers from the series finale of HBOs Veep, titled Veep.]. Yes, I do. Sufe Bradshaw returned as Sue to the White House, which was a feel-good surprise in a brutal episode. The First Labor Day. Oh my God, he could end up as Its sort of like she had put it to bed and realizes now it could be even realer, and then realizing, Oh. My story is that Im super bummed its over! And so Selina Joker-ed her way out of brokered convention and wound up back in the Oval Office, but at great cost: She was now the most powerful person in the world, but also the loneliest, having sold out those nearest to her. MANDEL RESPONDS: I could see that, he says of Mike as an ineffective but well-liked high school teacher. Well, a Christmas Carol! Theseries finale betrayal was heartbreaking to watch. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I looked at this as, Well, maybe this will snap him out of it. Maybe hell wake up to the abuse. And that was the beginning of her real healing. But it feels pretty definitive. Oh, that sucks! Did she get what she deserved, in addition to what she felt she deserved?DAVID MANDEL: Well, I do think she got what she deserved. Offers may be subject to change without notice. A few suggested either watching an interview online in which Anna says it herself (see above), or simply just calling her Anna to be safe. And then the past four years before she died, he was out. He has no personal identity, so Selina becoming president is like getting the key and him becoming president. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. Im just now thinking about this, but I think during those 20 years, there was probably a good five years in the beginning that he thought she was going to change her mind and wake up and realize how special he was to her. In some interesting, weird way, Im almost curious as to what he wouldve done had she actually asked him. Im a huge fan. I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. We both agreed that it held a tremendous amount of weight [if we didnt know]. By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . But at the end of the day, she is the winner. ], This is Daddys Youve had the evil inside you the whole time, its time to embrace your dark side speech.You didnt need these shoes or me. I dont know quite what hes doing there, but its kind of wonderful., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Mandel admits some of his questions werent necessarily designed to be answered. Its sort of fun, Mandel says. As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. Selina has always hated the limited powers of the vice president. Yes, he enjoyed seeing people turn real Trump team gaffes into Veep closing-credits sequences like the executive order one above or Sean Spicers infamous Hitler remarks below. After 'Veep's' series finale, Tony Hale speaks to The Hollywood Reporter about the betrayal and flash-forward reveal for his character Gary Walsh. HBO's Official 2017 Emmy After Party - Inside. I think Isles is clearly smarter. "Because she's in the casket. But the way she talks about the position in the finale is so warped its declawing, its demeaning, its worse than death that she sounds victimized for having to serve in that position, which is the second most powerful personOne of the many reasons we called the final episode Veep is that who is going to be her vice president is such a giant piece of her salvation. So its this dance to find the perfect level of horror there. And you start to realize shes just never really had a father figure. Oh, yeah. I feel like the possibility of Jonahs impending death would be just as nerve-racking as all the times Quinn was in danger. The idea being, there is at least one more Oscar in the next 24 years, along with the sequel to Philadelphia. So yeah, there was just a lot of joy. Did you feel the weight of it while you were shooting it? Whose future outcome amused you the most? https://www.yahoo.com/tv/veep-showrunner-david-mandel-responds-labor-day-theories-162157120.html. Because Gary is so in tune with her emotions, he might have picked up on something in her tone or behind or eyes, and this distracted him so he didnt. We talk a lot about that. "She wasn't loving the idea of him being . I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. After all the sacrifices Gary has made for Selina the Labor Day and trash-bag mysteries are so dark, viewers never even got the details the presidential candidate picks her trusted body man as the fall guy in the Meyer Fund investigation and Gary is arrested by the FBI as Selina is accepting the nomination at her partys convention. Quotes like, Thats the least reassuring sentence since Its OK, its just the tip! Ming Nguyen said, She showed a hint of being a good person in [the abortion episode] The Choice in Season 3. Even though I think Selina is a little bit anti-Semitic, shes not nearly as anti-Semitic as the entire Trump administration, so its hard to compete.. The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. "Never mind, forget I ever said anything. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. Tricky. Because I believe he wanted to know. "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" Forty percent said they were a Rizzoli (Angie Harmons blue-collar detective character) and 10 percent said they were an Isles (Sasha Alexanders more polished medical examiner). Thats a hard one. TVLINE | Do you think she backs down out of fear that Gary might use this information to hurt her? Gary was complicit in this hideous relationship in which he chased affection and validation that was never available. It was very emotional on set when you called a series wrap on her after filming; she has said she wasnt able to participate in season 6 because of illness. Ideas? Number two, I think there was a sense of, this is the final season. When he was right there catching her purse. Dan 2.0 in a different way. The Central Labor Union held its second Labor Day holiday just a year later, on September 5, 1883. And what were the alts that didnt make it? Im just not sure its feasible for either of them to leave each other. And while Selina has already expressed interest in running for president again (an idea that Ben, mercifully, shot down in the Season 6 premiere), is Mandel rushing to get her back to Washington? All Rights Reserved. Im mourning that. The relationship between Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh has always been hilarious, yes, but it's also what are the words? As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. Gary has been abused, codependent and is just stuck in this obsessive cycle with Selina. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: They werent happy about it, but roughly 60 percent said Gary wearing corduroy. She Danes-es it up, he says. As for the other options: He owned a boat in the past and then had trouble getting rid of said boat, so I think he would be very happy in the boat world, although I dont think theres a lot of money in boat rental, he says. But if you remember back from the flashbacks, you get the sense theres a reason she couldnt completely get him out of her life and vice versa. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Thats why we have climate deniers, we have anti-vaxxers, and we are seeing what those things wrought. The idea of winning for both the original and then the sequel, thats cool. So I think probably the last 15 years of that prison sentence was spent dealing with that and all those feelings. Weve been gone a year, and were back, and were not taking any prisoners. I moved for the past seven years anytime she said that and the fact that I had to stay there was like, 'Aww, dammnit! In Selina's final sceneat least one in which she is not in a casketshe reflexively called out for Gary in the Oval Office, only to have new staffer Keith (Andy Daly) remind her that Gary is gone. Yet, Catherine seemed happier for it. Among the who's-who . "I'm not going anywhere. I kind of love that. Politically-Correct Reaction: "Veep" focused on the unwanted secrets of its staff in "East Wing." Selina and Gary's Labor Day-set secret may have taken center stage, but plot threads . [Laughs. I always will leave open the door to a great idea, because a great idea is a great idea. "I thought it was really interesting that everybody is in old-age makeup, everybody's looking rough, we're all really old, and the only one that is not in old-age makeup is Selina," says Hale. ", Hale called it "perfect" as well, and in expressing his extreme approval for this grim outcome, he opines that it takes two damaged individuals to tangoand that Gary bears some responsibility for that broken relationship. In one way, their bond can never be broken, and he will always have some measure of twisted devotion to her. Did she ever find out that he was alive, and did he close out any shady deals at her funeral?Id like to think at some point, they had contact, or she probably had to give him some more money at some point. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. Regret is a part of it, but at the same time, though, I think almost more horror. "That is the end result.". Sie knnen Ihre Einstellungen jederzeit ndern. You took over showrunning duties when Armando left after season 4 and kept up the Emmy-winning tradition. Labor Day's origins go much deeper than backyard barbecues and picnics. And my guess is it was a similar sort of financial campaign thing. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. Gary and Selina were intimate. We police that and try to not have that, so that when you do get a chance to say f*** its a very special f***., Does the language make it difficult to choose clips to use at awards shows? Even when we got together and watched the last episode [on Sunday night], just swapping stories and talking about our time in Baltimore. Ive said this before, but its like a dog returning to his vomit. Labor Day vs. May Day . As Erica Macy-Lesperance wrote, I wouldnt want Veep to air on a regular network because I dont want to lose any of Selinas colorful vocabulary. (Laughs.) We had this really nice moment after the screening, just kind of catching up and a little bit of chit-chatting. I think he might view Selina with a little more empathy and compassion. (Photo: HBO) It's been a well-received season of change for HBO's Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandel . Because its almost like the same thing with Selina, where the train was moving so fast with every bad choice and horrible action that she couldnt stop herself. The coming to terms with what youve done and what you did is somewhat horrific. "It is a decision she's made. I still love it so much. Obviously, it affects millions of same-sex couples, and its horrific. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. My mind goes to some dark places during that scene. To read what Louis-Dreyfus and Hale thought of Selinas betrayal of Gary, head over here. TVLINE | Were you surprised by Garys outburst? I kind of love that. I think he gets an odd kick out of watching the show. During her desperate, obsessive drive to return to the White House, Selina (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) betrayed her daughter, Catherine (Sarah Sutherland), the fight for LGBTQ equality, a brave war veteran who was supposed to be her running mate, the nation of Tibet, pristine federal lands, the American educational system, and perhaps most damning to viewers entranced by the relationship at the cold-blooded heart of the show: her over-loyal bagman and one-man hype machine Gary (Tony Hale). It just suddenly washed over her what a terrible idea this was, and what she hath wrought?Yeah. I mean, its all new people. He always wanted to match her. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. I think then youre sort of in Bill OReilly territory. She didnt really care about Gary but selfishly, I think she thinks that she cant survive without him around. she concluded. It just was so stunning to hear the language in this giant ballroom at the Four Seasons. "He's very bitter. He was a huge fan of the show. The big one that we were on for probably a lot of the discussion was that never-before-seen President Hughes would die on the same day, and that would sort of steal her thunder. However, proof begins to surface that Chung was actually born overseas (in like Brazil or something unexpected) and he is thrown out of office. She wanted the Dubonnet. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. '", The scene, which illustrated the karmic punishment that had been meted out to her, served as an appropriate cautionary ending to a show steeped in corrosive cynicism and selfishness, according to Hale. We were crying during the table read. Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. Both Labor Day and May Day, the two worker holidays, grew out of violent clashes between labor and police in the American Midwest.What is known as the Haymarket Riot (or . Before he walked out the door with his box, he would be back working with her. I have confidence because of what he has previously worked on, but also because of his relationship with Julia. This cast is so close, they were all together in Baltimore [where the show was filmed for the first four seasons] for so long. ", It was during that last line that Gary was accosted by two FBI agents on the side of the stage. I dont believe he could have stopped us from saying his name. I dont think we can compete. What makes it more horrific certainly on Garys part is how innocent and Gary-esque he is right until the end. She just thought that Amy wouldve liked the cut of his jib. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I know people have been waiting for it. Not Julia, but Selina is like, 'I'm not going to look like s---!' Its not what comes later when shes alone but its that moment of, its like a chill runs down your body because you get the sense that a little chill is running down her. But dont we already have Catherine? From Austin Butler and Cate Blanchett to a potential Best Supporting Actress toss-up, see who EW thinks will win at the 2023 Oscars. But when hes at that funeral and maybe this a little, I dont want to say redemption for Andrew he did love her. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. Daten ber Ihr Gert und Ihre Internetverbindung, wie Ihre IP-Adresse, Browsing- und Suchaktivitten bei der Nutzung von Yahoo Websites und -Apps. Well do a big vaudeville act! Was Catherines cutting of ties with Selina the healthiest decision she made?Her realization that she was interested in members of the same sex and ultimately her happiness with Marjorie and the family they built I think theres a three-year story there of her becoming a more and better-fulfilled person. So that's what brought him back to that funeral because everybody else could care less about her, but he had this kernel of authentic love for her. 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She is everything that is bad about politics: no real vision or drive to lead via policy decisions. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. Speaking of emotional moments, Selina had an unconventional father-figure moment with Ben [Kevin Dunn] after his heart attack. It was fun to be able to say that kind of stuff, and then just kind of retract and find ways to come off of it. Its sort of the way I treat my in-laws, which is, I never say their name, because my instinct is to call them Mr. And Im certainly not gonna call them by their first name, so I just avoid calling them.. Thats the outcome of living a life like she did. But when [the abuse] comes from everyone else,he does see it. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. ", And Veep truly came full circle in the final seconds of the episode, as CBS Evening News anchor (!) "There was just an enormous amount of restraint. And even though I looked at all the takes, Julia was the one who said, No, no, no take a look, I think I reacted when I hear the name. And I went back and I saw what she did, what she was talking about, so its intercut much more so that he says Maam, Gary and then youre back on her so it plays on her face, the realization moment. She has been riding that thing, and its brought up a lot though obviously her anger at Selena, and all of those things. And so Gary wouldnt really listen to what shes actually saying. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Happy Labor Day weekend, America. And did you initially try to get her back for more episodes this season?I think at some point there was a thought of seeing her back in the Montez [Andrea Savage] days, season 6. What resonates with you or haunts you from those few days of filming?I wouldnt say it was hard but those were such emotional days. 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